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Concorde1993

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Has there been a previous outage there of this length in the past?
There was one a couple of years back that actually lead to a few months worth of threads being permanently deleted and unrecoverable. I think that’s what lead to the creation of this forum, amongst other things.

I’ve been on the 68kmla for over 15 years. Met a couple of forum members in person and bought/sold several computers and peripherals over that time. It would be a shame if it can’t be fixed but it wouldn’t be the first forum I’ve seen go bust.
 
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JDW

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Sounds like the host really dropped the ball.
There was one a couple of years back that actually lead to a few months worth of threads being permanently deleted and unrecoverable. I think that’s what lead to the creation of this forum, amongst other things.
The data loss you mention took place late June 2021. All posts from part way into February through most of June that year were lost. Lack of backups were not to blame. It was yet again another "the host provider dropped the ball" server related issue. A significant chunk of discussions pertaining to new development threads like those from @Kai Robinson were lost forever. I believe that everything posted in those months had been saved to RAM rather than disk, which is why when the crash happened, nothing had been saved anywhere outside RAM and so it was lost permanently — at least, that's how I remembered what we were told at the time.

While no forum can guarantee 100% uptime, TinkerDifferent has been richly blessed with some incredible uptime since its founding in the Fall of 2021, and zero data loss. These are just the facts of the matter, not me saying we're vastly superior in every way to everyone else who has a forum.

Full disclosure, TinkerDifferent had just under 10 hours of downtime on Christmas Eve 2025. (Darn you, Santa!) But that was a time everyone was busy with family and likely didn't even notice. I noticed, of course, and exchanged emails with @eric about it while we were down. Eric busted his fanny to get us back up again, and he then quickly reported all technical and time related details in a still-unlocked thread here:


@eric and Macintosh Garden owner @fogWraith are our two server guys who do an awesome job and never get enough credit. Kudos, gentlemen! 🙏

Oh, and THERE'S ONE MORE THING...
:)

@eric is almost finished with a special ARCHIVE of our forum that can be accessed no matter what happens to the main forum:


That's huge, folks!
 
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Yoda

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And as expected, after all this hullabaloo, it's back, just as the staff said it would be a few days ago. You can read their message here: https://68kmla.org/bb/threads/2026-03-24-to-27-hosting-network-outage.51941/

Sounds like the host really dropped the ball.
I'm sorry but that does rather miss the real point. The vast majority of internet resources don't go down and vanish, then reappear sometime later.

The problem here is absolutely the 68Kmla admin/owners, because it's their choice of how, who and why the site is hosted. In the 3-4 years of TD, how many times/days/hours has it been offline by comparison? Pretty much none.

It's not 'the host' that dropped the ball, it's the people who placed reliance on that particular host. They had better options (very clearly) but didn't choose them.

Shame that the people who run that site seem not to have such a regard for the value of the resource that you (and I) do.
 
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3lectr1c

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I'm sorry but that does rather miss the real point. The vast majority of internet resources don't go down and vanish, then reappear sometime later.

The problem here is absolutely the 68Kmla admin/owners, because it's their choice of how, who and why the site is hosted. In the 3-4 years of TD, how many times/days/hours has it been offline by comparison? Pretty much none.

It's not 'the host' that dropped the ball, it's the people who placed reliance on that particular host. They had better options (very clearly) but didn't choose them.

Shame that the people who run that site seem not to have such a regard for the value of the resource that you (and I) do.
I think it takes some real acrobatics to twist the host not doing their job around to still blame the admins. 68k staff certainly isn't perfect, I'll be the first to say that (see page 2 of this thread), but blaming them for this problem is quite unfair. They HAVE switched hosts multiple times in the past few years to try to fix these problems, and it seems they have just been extremely unlucky. I'm going to paste below a message I wrote last night on a similar thread on the VCF Forums:

They've had terrible luck with their web hosting. Here's a summary of "what's gone wrong the past few years on 68kMLA":
July 2021: A creeping corruption bug in their software stack caused months of posts to hover about in RAM instead of being committed to disk, along with a maintenance task that was deleting data over time. When the corrupt task finally crashed the database server, it was too late and posts between February and July 2021 were lost, as the backups being taken were also affected by this corruption bug. This led to the forum migrating from Invision Community to XenForo.
July 2023: At this time, they were using a database-as-a-service product from one of the leading hosting companies. Due to an issue with the host, the database server crashed, but due to the host not doing their job, they were unable to quickly restore from a backup, and instead had to manually export and reimport the instance, which made it take a good while to get the site back up. They were understandably pissed about this and they switched around their hosting arrangement following.
April 2024: Another couple day outage caused by an unspecified technical error at the host.
November 2024: Forum stops sending email, which remained broken for 7 months. This one's totally on the administration for not fixing sooner.
October 2025: Forum was down for three days because the server motherboard kicked the bucket, following which the host took their sweet time to get things going again. While this issue was out of the administration's control, they failed to make any announcement about why/that the forum was down until after it had been restored. This had followed months of inactivity from the staff team, which understandably worried people.
And most recently, the March 2026 outage: Seems like the host plain and simply fumbled the bag once again and misconfigured the network settings. Apparantly the problem was that the host stopped announcing the site's IP space, a simple issue which they took four whole days to solve, with 68kmla staff spending 20 hours with the support team trying to get the damn site back online... Safe to say that their current hosting provider does not seem very competent.

As for what provider they are using, they were on Linode a year or two ago, I think they might have switched to something different more recently? Not sure. But in spite of what it seems, it really doesn't look like they're hosting the site on garbage hardware. It just looks like they've gotten horribly unlucky.

I'm not writing all this out to say that I love the way the forum is run. The administration there has gone through periods of inactivity, and often did a poor job communicating with the community about site issues (although this has gotten better recently). I just want to give them a break about the idea that their personal incompetence is the reason why the site has an unusually high number of outages. It's pretty much always been the fault of their hosting providers, which I will again mention that they have changed through multiple times in the past decade in an attempt at solving this problem. I'm not at all worried that the site's going to go down and stay down.
 

Concorde1993

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I remember when the 68kmla was run using the phpBB forum software. I don’t recall as much downtime before the switch to XenForo.

But I do concur that accountability should be on both ends. I’m also on a Chrysler LH forum and they’ve never experienced a tenth of the problems the 68kmla has (and they also have an archive for their really old posts).
 

3lectr1c

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I don’t recall as much downtime before the switch to XenForo.
I think the worst of it was late 2020-early 2021 when I believe the forum was being fully self-hosted by wthww? Don't quote me on that. They had a lot of trouble with power outages, some ISP issues, and a few database problems. There were around 9 downtime incidents between July 2020 and February 2021. I don't think XenForo is to blame for the few outages that have happened since then, if anything, it may have improved things since I only recall one brief outage that was caused by the database crashing, although I can't find any thread about that now.

The forum was on phpbb, then Invision Power Board, then Invision Community, and then migrated to XenForo in 2021. They were having a lot of trouble with Invision from what I remember, although I wasn't around before 2021.
(and they also have an archive for their really old posts).
wthww mentioned to me on the IRC back last year that keeping all of the forum's posts live/not archived causes more headaches/technical complexity for the site since it's been migrated so many times and is so large. The forum data is 250GB+.
 

Yoda

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I think it takes some real acrobatics to twist the host not doing their job around to still blame the admins.
No it doesn't. The admins are responsible for their decisions in hosting, nobody else. A poor host is a poor choice.

Anyway, I'm done. 68Kmla will be fine, or not. I neither care nor am invested in it. It works, or it doesn't, and members will be tolerant of it or not. It was - and may yet be - a great resource, and if admins were a victim of poor hosting reliability I'd expect to see exactly the same patterns of failure all over the internet. Oddly, I don't.

I can't say that I'm engaged at all in 68Kmla apologist's perspectives, because all I - and I suspect most people - want is a resource they access and can use. It's up to individuals to judge for themselves, not either one of us.
 

JDW

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Here's a summary of "what's gone wrong the past few years on 68kMLA":
The MLA problems go back to 2007, when I was active and I first heard the name Tom Levens, who ran it at the time. The single worst disk crash and data loss occurred then (including me posts), and there are 3 pages of dialog about that, including myself and Tom Levens too here…


If there were server issues prior to 2005 or 2006 though, I wouldn’t know because that was before I began posting on the MLA.

As I mentioned in that 2007 AppleFritter thread, I was active in Jag’s House before I joined the MLA and I only switched because Jag started deleting posts, and in part to save drive space. LOL. Pretty crazy to reflect on all the forum related data loss I’ve seen through the years. Thankfully, TinkerDifferent has addressed that.