Rominator II + accelerator ?

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Hello all,

I just got a BMOW Rominator Carbon for my SE/30 - it's working great. I see on the page for it it's mentioned that accelerators such as Daystar are not supported with it. I can't remember where I saw it but I think I saw someone saying they had a DiiMO PDS accel. working with it.

Just looking for any info from folks running an accel. with the ROM successfully. I guess I could skip a house payment and get this :LOL: :

https://www.ebay.com/itm/297963804346
 

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Hello all,

I just got a BMOW Rominator Carbon for my SE/30... I think I saw someone saying they had a DiiMO PDS accel. working with it.
There is nothing too unique about the ROM-inator II Carbon (4MB) relative to the "Atom" (2MB) that came before it, or even the earlier versions that were offered in 2MB, 4MB and even 8MB sizes. Other companies make custom ROM SIMMs too, and I made this video showing all of them. They all behave the same way in an SE/30, with slightly differences depending on what you flash to them. So if the ROM-inator II Carbon is out of stock or otherwise impossible to buy and you want a ROM SIMM now, you need only buy a ROM SIMM from another company who makes them, and again, my video covers that, as does the video description.

I have a Daystar CPU-socketed PowerCache in my SE/30 with the PowerCentral Control Panel too, and it runs perfectly fine with the ROM-inator II and any of the third party version custom ROM SIMMs too -- no hacks or special ROM flashing required. Why Steve C. says "PowerCache" is incompatible is unknown, unless he is referring to the PDS slot edition PowerCache, which I do not have nor have I ever tested it. When using the word "PowerCache" it's best to clarify if one means PDS or CPU-socketed version.

Even the Daystar Turbo040 (which I own as well), does in fact work with the ROM-inator II and all third party ROM SIMM variants if and only if you flash the "olePigeon ROM for DayStar Turbo040": https://tinyurl.com/mrssv23v

Turbo040 & olePigeon ROM CAVEATS: HD20 drives (even on a FloppyEMU) won't boot an SE/30 anymore and 1.44MB floppies don't work. If you do NOT use the Turbo040 and flash a regular ROM file to your ROM SIMM, you CAN boot an HD20 and you CAN use 1.44MB floppies.

I also have a DiiMO PDS slot accelerator (50MHz 030) in my SE/30 and it works fine with all custom ROM SIMMs, even with the DiiMO Control Panel loaded.

If you want to run System 7.5.5, you have to patch the System file, and that patching is most easily done with this neat app on Macintosh Garden:


No such patching required for System 7.1 or earlier.

That and so much more can be found in the text description under my ROM SIMM video on YouTube. It's absolutely packed with all the info I researched on the subject, and pulled from my first-hand experience.
 
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There is nothing too unique about the ROM-inator II Carbon (4MB) relative to the "Atom" (2MB) that came before it, or even the earlier versions that were offered in 2MB, 4MB and even 8MB sizes. Other companies make custom ROM SIMMs too, and I made this video showing all of them. They all behave the same way in an SE/30, with slightly differences depending on what you flash to them. So if the ROM-inator II Carbon is out of stock or otherwise impossible to buy and you want a ROM SIMM now, you need only buy a ROM SIMM from another company who makes them, and again, my video covers that, as does the video description.

I have a Daystar CPU-socketed PowerCache in my SE/30 with the PowerCentral Control Panel too, and it runs perfectly fine with the ROM-inator II and any of the third party version custom ROM SIMMs too -- no hacks or special ROM flashing required. Why Steve C. says "PowerCache" is incompatible is unknown, unless he is referring to the PDS slot edition PowerCache, which I do not have nor have I ever tested it. When using the word "PowerCache" it's best to clarify if one means PDS or CPU-socketed version.

Even the Daystar Turbo040 (which I own as well), does in fact work with the ROM-inator II and all third party ROM SIMM variants if and only if you flash the "olePigeon ROM for DayStar Turbo040": https://tinyurl.com/mrssv23v

Turbo040 & olePigeon ROM CAVEATS: HD20 drives (even on a FloppyEMU) won't boot an SE/30 anymore and 1.44MB floppies don't work. If you do NOT use the Turbo040 and flash a regular ROM file to your ROM SIMM, you CAN boot an HD20 and you CAN use 1.44MB floppies.

I also have a DiiMO PDS slot accelerator (50MHz 030) in my SE/30 and it works fine with all custom ROM SIMMs, even with the DiiMO Control Panel loaded.

If you want to run System 7.5.5, you have to patch the System file, and that patching is most easily done with this neat app on Macintosh Garden:


No such patching required for System 7.1 or earlier.

That and so much more can be found in the text description under my ROM SIMM video on YouTube. It's absolutely packed with all the info I researched on the subject, and pulled from my first-hand experience.

Thanks for all this info. I'm still learning the nuances of this era of Macs. Specifically it seems there are PDS accelerators but also CPU socket ones...

My current (only) SE30 has a soldered CPU. If I ever get a second machine or at least logic board - I'm willing to desolder it and add a socket. I don't consider myself a wizard but I have a nice Hakko desoldering gun, plenty of flux and the $$$ solder wick. I think I could do it - just not on my only/first machine...

And yes I have 7.5.5 on there. Patched (ResEdit) 7.5.3 and then 7.5.5 again after that update. So far so good.

I'm really interested in that Booster 2.0 unit. I also like the PDS flavor for easy of swapping in/out.

In terms of CPU socket vs. PDS - other than the mechanical/electrical - are there other differences that matter ? I also see some "TwinSpark" (?) adapters ? I'm still not sure why/when those are needed.
 
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The slot in the SE/30 is PDS. “Cache slot” accelerators like the Daystar Turbo040 are absolutely NOT compatible with PDS, and you will fry chips on your accelerator if you plug it into any PDS slot. I know because I accidentally did that once to my Turbo040.

The TS Adapter from ARTMIX Japan (Manabu Sakai) or Bolle’s feature-expanded recreations are required for the Turbo040 and any other Cache Slot type accelerator put inside an SE/30. CPU-socketed accelerators are just that and don’t use PDS or TS Adapters at all.


In terms of the differences that matter among accelerators, I would say that performance is really what matters most. My PDS-slot DiiMO accelerator (made for PDS and therefore does NOT need a TS Adapter) is faster than my CPU-socketed PowerCache simply because the DiiMO has more cache memory on it. Both use the same CPU and clock speed.

CPU-socketed accelerators are harder to find and more expensive and require the CPU socket, but they offer the huge benefit of freeing your PDS slot for other things. @Bolle made some clones of the Daystar PowerCache CPU-socketed board in the past but I don’t know if he’s still selling them today.

I think the Booster 2.0 is a really neat product and I am not in any way whatsoever trying to knock it. But you want facts and I’m happy to give you those. Booster 2.0 does not need any kind of startup extension or control panel, which is a plus in its favor. However, the reason why it doesn’t need that is because it doesn’t have the cache memory that the aforementioned accelerators have, and therefore it is slower as a result. But another perk of the Booster 2 is that, I believe, it’s still sold today and it’s more competitive on price than the other accelerators I mentioned.
 
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The slot in the SE/30 is PDS. “Cache slot” accelerators like the Daystar Turbo040 are absolutely NOT compatible with PDS, and you will fry chips on your accelerator if you plug it into any PDS slot. I know because I accidentally did that once to my Turbo040.

The TS Adapter from ARTMIX Japan (Manabu Sakai) or Bolle’s feature-expanded recreations are required for the Turbo040 and any other Cache Slot type accelerator put inside an SE/30. CPU-socketed accelerators are just that and don’t use PDS or TS Adapters at all.


In terms of the differences that matter among accelerators, I would say that performance is really what matters most. My PDS-slot DiiMO accelerator (made for PDS and therefore does NOT need a TS Adapter) is faster than my CPU-socketed PowerCache simply because the DiiMO has more cache memory on it. Both use the same CPU and clock speed.

CPU-socketed accelerators are harder to find and more expensive and require the CPU socket, but they offer the huge benefit of freeing your PDS slot for other things. @Bolle made some clones of the Daystar PowerCache CPU-socketed board in the past but I don’t know if he’s still selling them today.

I think the Booster 2.0 is a really neat product and I am not in any way whatsoever trying to knock it. But you want facts and I’m happy to give you those. Booster 2.0 does not need any kind of startup extension or control panel, which is a plus in its favor. However, the reason why it doesn’t need that is because it doesn’t have the cache memory that the aforementioned accelerators have, and therefore it is slower as a result. But another perk of the Booster 2 is that, I believe, it’s still sold today and it’s more competitive on price than the other accelerators I mentioned.

Thanks again for the info. I didn't know there was a PDS vs. "cache slot" difference. Really glad I do now (and sorry to hear about your frying issue...)

Seems like this is what you have (or very similar):


I already hit my budget for now just getting this machine and getting it to where it is - I can't swing that $$$ currently.

And on the Booster - they do mention that even though the CPU is ~ 3x stock - you really see ~ 2x. Seems like that jives with what you say about the cache (lack thereof).
 
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I think the Booster 2.0 is a really neat product and I am not in any way whatsoever trying to knock it. But you want facts and I’m happy to give you those. Booster 2.0 does not need any kind of startup extension or control panel, which is a plus in its favor. However, the reason why it doesn’t need that is because it doesn’t have the cache memory that the aforementioned accelerators have, and therefore it is slower as a result. But another perk of the Booster 2 is that, I believe, it’s still sold today and it’s more competitive on price than the other accelerators I mentioned.
Another good point of the Booster 2.0 is that it has a PDS passthrough on top.
 
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Well I just won a Buyee auction for a Diimo. I can use some of the other budget for a divorce lawyer when my wife finds out :LOL:

I already ordered the caps and plan to do what @JDW has in his video recapping his.

My Booster is ordered (well "backordered"). I think ZZJ is "retired" from building these so I'm not sure I will actually get one from that order with Juicy Crumb. But I have an email thread with Juicy Crumb waiting on their answer if they can fulfill this or not.
 
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