Any Thoughts on this "Prototype" 6360?

[jajan547]

I recently struck a deal with somebody to get this prototype (I believe to be 6360) 6360. The dates inside make me believe its a pre- production prototype 6360 and the label on the bottom says not for sale and it doesn't meet FCC requirements in place of the typical label we see on these. I have photos below and I'll take more when it arrives. Any thoughts?

 

[rikerjoe]

It looks like a near twin of the Quadra 630 I was working on today.

 

[jajan547]

It looks like a near twin of the Quadra 630 I was working on today.

Wasn’t a sold unit though, but I can’t quite tell what all is going on here.

 

[Fizzbinn]

Neat! The glimpse of the logic board does look like it has DIMM slots, is PCI architecture. Will be interesting see if there are any special markings on the board. Also interesting, the Ethernet connector is AAUI. I guess they made a Communications Slot II AUI card, never seen one of those.

 

[jajan547]

I’m excited to get it looks like the small slot closest to the power supply is missing on it?

 

[Fizzbinn]

I’m excited to get it looks like the small slot closest to the power supply is missing on it?

Where the AV card inputs are located? I think that looks normal. It is missing the PCI card slot cover.

 

[jajan547]

I meant the on board connector isn’t there it appears, I’ll see if I can find the name in a bit. Ah okay update video in slot looks to not be present on this.

 

[jajan547]

I meant the on board connector isn’t there it appears, I’ll see if I can find the name in a bit. Ah okay update video in slot looks to not be present on this.

Wait a minute looks like the heat sink of a 6400?

 

[Fizzbinn]

Wait a minute looks like the heat sink of a 6400?

It does look different from the CPU heatsink my 6360 board:

 

[Fizzbinn]

I meant the on board connector isn’t there it appears, I’ll see if I can find the name in a bit. Ah okay update video in slot looks to not be present on this.

I see it, it just has the AV video-in card installed in the slot (which between the DIMM slots and the edge of the board/power supply).

 

[jajan547]

I see it, it just has the AV video-in card installed in the slot (which between the DIMM slots and the edge of the board/power supply).

Not familiar with PPC at all so trying to find as much information about this as I can.

 

[GiGaBiTe]

Not familiar with PPC at all so trying to find as much information about this as I can.

If you want to look at the logic board, push down the two clips on the I/O cover on the back and hinge it down. There will be two M4(?) screws under the bumps on either side. Remove both of those and stick your hand in the open slot, grab and gently pull out. The whole motherboard should slide out.

You may have to disconnect the ribbon cable going to the TV tuner board to get the motherboard to slide completely out. Also be careful to check for other cables and such that could be attached to the logic board or the AV board.

 

[jajan547]

If you want to look at the logic board, push down the two clips on the I/O cover on the back and hinge it down. There will be two M4(?) screws under the bumps on either side. Remove both of those and stick your hand in the open slot, grab and gently pull out. The whole motherboard should slide out.

You may have to disconnect the ribbon cable going to the TV tuner board to get the motherboard to slide completely out. Also be careful to check for other cables and such that could be attached to the logic board or the AV board.

Will do I’ll upload some photos before I get it I will be as careful as I can but also looking around here I’m starting to suspect this was a 6500 prototype. The timeline seems it could be a 6360 prototype but it seems too close to production. Also 6400 was already released. However, this does have a 6400/6500 heatsink I’m thinking maybe it’s a 6500 and the fan was added later when the 6500 was released due to heat issues? I don’t know that’s my guess though.

 

[GiGaBiTe]

It could be anything really. The 6360/6400/6500 all had the same logic board design and could be interchanged. I have a 6400/180 logic board in my 6360 case. The PowerPC 603ev in the 6500 definitely required a fan because it consumed more power.

You can always pop the heatsink off and look at the CPU directly. Just flip the logic board upside down and carefully push the metal clips out of the holes on the board, they should pop out fairly easily since they're just spring loaded hooks.

 

[jajan547]

It could be anything really. The 6360/6400/6500 all had the same logic board design and could be interchanged. I have a 6400/180 logic board in my 6360 case. The PowerPC 603ev in the 6500 definitely required a fan because it consumed more power.

You can always pop the heatsink off and look at the CPU directly. Just flip the logic board upside down and carefully push the metal clips out of the holes on the board, they should pop out fairly easily since they're just spring loaded hooks.

I have to wait until Wednesday or Thursday, the suspense is killing me.

 

[jajan547]

Here is the photos of the board and CPU which is a Motorola 603P Engineering Sample CPU clocked at 240MHz.

 

[Trash80toG4]

Appears to be an in between shipping CPU clock rate CPU, strange.

 

[jajan547]

Appears to be an in between shipping CPU clock rate CPU, strange.

Yeah strange indeed, also doesn't want to output video via VGA adapter, RCA, or DB15 to an Apple Color Plus 14" Display. Any ideas what to try?

 

[GiGaBiTe]

The logic board has the stereotypical garbage 90s SMD electrolytics, you need to recap the logic board. They can be misleading and look fine on first glance, but when you remove them from the board, you'll see wicked up electrolyte under the base. You also likely need to recap the power supply as well, they also leak all over the place.

Additionally, you may need to make up a PRAM battery, the 4.5v Rayovac brick. You can use a 3.6v CR123 in a holder, or you can use a triple AA/AAA battery holder to make up the 4.5v.

All of my PPC macs have had to be recapped, including my 6360, 6400/180 and 6500/250.

 

[jajan547]

The logic board has the stereotypical garbage 90s SMD electrolytics, you need to recap the logic board. They can be misleading and look fine on first glance, but when you remove them from the board, you'll see wicked up electrolyte under the base. You also likely need to recap the power supply as well, they also leak all over the place.

Additionally, you may need to make up a PRAM battery, the 4.5v Rayovac brick. You can use a 3.6v CR123 in a holder, or you can use a triple AA/AAA battery holder to make up the 4.5v.

All of my PPC macs have had to be recapped, including my 6360, 6400/180 and 6500/250.

Actually it booted after three tries of the coda switch.