Johny I've reflections on Steve Jobs (Oct. 2021)

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I came across this Wall Street Journal article by Johnny Ive today. I appreciated the warm sentiments Ive shared.

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I have always thought of Steve Jobs as a man greatly misunderstood, perhaps inspired by the fact I myself am often misunderstood. I sometimes say or write in a deliberately provocative or brash way that will upset some people, even though my intent is to provoke thought or action rather than anger. That must have been true of Jobs.

I've read most books and articles about Steve Jobs, both old and and, and they largely cast him in a negative light. People like Ive who worked closely with Jobs, yet had a great relationship with him, clearly understood that brilliant man the best. I do not believe it was merely a matter of Jobs treating them better than everyone else. When you make demands of people, some are inspired to work harder and explore new ways of thinking while others feel hurt or even angered.

This is not to imply Steve Jobs was perfect. But how perfect are any of us? When we all too often point the finger of shame at others, we forget the 3 fingers pointed squarely back at ourselves. Apple in many ways IS Steve Jobs, even though it is a large corporation that has been run by others for many years. That's a good thing for all Apple fans. Jobs lives on in the very thing he so lovingly created. Thank you, Steve, for making that all so important dent in the universe!
 

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Before Steve's death, I think it was easy to see him on stage and associate his name with impressive inventions and a "rising from the ashes" success story. After meeting and talking to a few people who have worked with Steve on a regular (sometimes daily) basis, I am more inclined to take their word — he was a jerk, and even cruel.

But just like every other jerk, he's also a person with feelings and aspirations. Humans aren't one-dimensional. For me, I am content accepting Steve's reputation along with his accomplishments (or at least the successes we associate his name with).
 
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To be sure, there are people who didn't really understand Jobs, or who had negative encounters with him they personally could not forgive, and therefore they viewed him through a predominantly negative lens. We often do that to others. We know what limits we put on ourselves, then we add a tolerance to give others a tiny bit of wiggle room, but when others go beyond our tolerance setting, we suddenly disapprove of them.

Yet we have numerous others, above and beyond Johnny Ive (who has hardly ever said a negative word about Jobs), who do not lambast the man, such as Andy Hertzfeld (who lambasts his manager Bob Belleville instead), Bill Atkinson (who shared wonderful yet honest sentiments in the short video below), Chris Espinosa, Tim Cook, and many from the NeXT team. From their first-hand accounts, it seems that those who were mildly upset by Steve's unusual and demanding nature yet who were inspired to keep trying to create something great ended up having the best relationship with Jobs. In contrast, those who were flabbergasted by Steve Jobs and who couldn't do their best as a result, ended up having the most confrontations and ill sentiment toward him.

Human beings are far too complex to put in a bottle (i.e., not "one-dimensional" as you said), and the same is true of Jobs. That's why I prefer to keep any open mind about the man, similar to Bill Atkinson. There are so many untold "good" stories of Jobs that fall under the radar, whereas the negatives stick like bees on honey.

When we realize how imperfect we all are, it helps us from being too harsh to our fellow imperfect man. The deeper our understanding of our own failures, the better equipped we are to work with other people that some contend are impossible to work with. Add to that genuine forgiveness and unconditional love, and you have the full set of tools in your arsenal to tackle even the most eccentric of men. That doesn't mean you will like and befriend everyone, but at least one can better work along side people others claim are impossible to work with.

 

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On Steve:



I was asleep. My son woke me up and told me Steve Jobs had died. A few days later I returned to Apple in Cork, Ireland; back to work. A few more days later Apple paused business as usual and everyone at Apple gathered to watch Apple Pay tribute to Steve's life. That was on Oct 19 2011.

That was on Oct 19 2011. Here's to the Crazy One's, as read by Steve Jobs (around the 11th minute in the video)

I miss seeing Steve on stage. In those days, every Apple product was truly amazing.
 
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I just want to say thank you for posting that video. I had watched it some years back. I just finished watching it again. The reading of The Crazy Ones by Jobs is so much better than that of Richard Dreyfuss because Jobs wasn't doing his best reading of the words -- Steve passionately uttered them from his heart. The tribute speeches in the video are excellent, but especially that of Jony Ive. Steve Jobs was more than just a visionary, brilliant genius, and lover of great design. He on some level gave us all a much-needed kick in the pants. Steve was the ultimate Crazy One who continues to inspire me to be a rebellious misfit troublemaker in that never ending quest for the insanely great.

Stay hungry. Stay foolish.

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Steve was, without a doubt, a truly unique personality. Every keynote that he gave over the years was riveting. Although there are stories that he was a bad guy, he may have been when younger, sure, but on his return from NeXT he gave Apple a truly polished finish. The company felt complete and highly focused and driven by vision.

I don't know if it's me or not but Apple seems like just another big tech company today. Maybe it is me, I certainly don't follow Apple as much or look forward to their keynotes as I did when Steve was running the ship. I have nothing against Tim Cook, certainly Steve Jobs thought highly enough of him to grant him the role that he still holds today but Apple was very different then. It felt like it was a startup all over again. Not sure if it will ever be that way again.

Long live Steve Jobs!
 
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While searching Amazon.com today I came across my 2015 book review of Becoming Steve Jobs. I thought it only appropriate to share the link in this thread. So many people praised that book, including Tim Cook and Eddie Cue, but I found it to be no different or worse when it came to taking unnecessary pot shots at Jobs. I mention page number with quotes in that review, for those interested.

I think Jobs make a lot of stupid mistakes, and Apple did well for the first few years without him (e.g., I highly doubt we would have an SE/30 today if Jobs had not been ousted), but the constant bashing of the man is all too often louder than the praise given for his genius. I personal choose to give credit where credit is due, and chastise where that is needed. Indeed, that's they way it ought to be. Jobs was flawed, to be sure, but not to the level that most contend. Again, the more eager we are to criticize others, the more likely it is our own sins are close to bursting outside the door.
 

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I think what I liked about that book is it didn't pigeon hole him to what he was in the 80's or so. At least it tried to tell a story about how he changed over time.

we all change over time and are not the same person from one decade to the next. (or at least hopefully we are not) but so many books about Steve Jobs seem to have him frozen in place about 1980 or so. In becoming Steve Jobs they tried to make the case that he DID change. how well they did that? idk. they prolly tried to make up evidence to support their case.
 

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I think what I liked about that book is it didn't pigeon hole him to what he was in the 80's or so. At least it tried to tell a story about how he changed over time.

we all change over time and are not the same person from one decade to the next. (or at least hopefully we are not) but so many books about Steve Jobs seem to have him frozen in place about 1980 or so. In becoming Steve Jobs they tried to make the case that he DID change. how well they did that? idk. they prolly tried to make up evidence to support their case.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about the book.

Did you read my Amazon review where I cited specific passages of the book that really nail jobs to the wall, putting him in a bad light overall? That was the basis for my book review. So while the book did show changes over time, the overall feeling I had at the end of the read was negative. I felt at least as bad as I did after having other books on Jobs, but perhaps more so with Becoming Steve Jobs because even though it was more comprehensive, it still relentlessly bashed the man, time and time again.
 
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I agree about Jobs with you @JDW and I do not understand the hate to Steve Jobs in Facebook Apple II community. They will rip you just mention his name.. the people who knows him from media not personal, judge him as a jerk because they worship Woz. They do not want to understand that both made Apple, otherwise there would be other computers and other companies..
 
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Did you read my Amazon review
Yes and I don't disagree with your review. I think its fair.

I was just trying to provide at least one positive aspect of the book.

Not to invalidate your experience. I will say I had a ... completely different expierance. I didn't come away from that book thinking it put him in a bad light or anything.. I just read the book on its own and didn't read any reviews at the time. Or pay attention to what apple execs liked or didn't like.

So in conclusion I think we can both have dynamically opposed feelings / experiences from the same book and both be valid....
 
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