Macintosh SE/30 Vertical & Horizontal Bars on Display "Simasima" Repair Guide

[GreenBar0n]

S1 is perfect everywhere else and throughout the Simasima Repair Guide, everything works except the Sony Sound chips Pin6.

Just so there is no confusion I made this video:

Pin5 is 0 - 0.80mV
Pin6 never goes much below 3.9, for both UB10 and UB11.

Thanks for the help!

 

[David Cook]

S1 is perfect everywhere else and throughout the Simasima Repair Guide, everything works except the Sony Sound chips Pin6.

Just so there is no confusion I made this video:

Pin5 is 0 - 0.80Mv
Pin6 never goes much below 3.9, for both UB10 and UB11.

Thanks for the help!

Actually, that looks good. The computer is in reset when when pin 5 of each of those chips is low (0V). The computer runs when pin 5 of each of those chips is high (5V). So, that looks to be working (don't worry about the voltage of the reset button -- it's correct and functioning.)

 

[GreenBar0n]

So when the Repair guide says Pin6 should be 0V, this is an error in the guide?

 

[David Cook]

Typo regarding pin 6 on the table, IMHO.

When the computer first powers up, all the chips will be held in reset (frozen state) by the Sony sound chips by outputting a low (0V) on pin 5. In schematics, the little bar above the word "reset" or the little circle next to the pin indicates the function is activated on low. So, ~reset means a low resets the computer. Below, see ARST and BRST have lines above them.

When the Sony chips think the power supply voltage has reached a stable 5V (or more likely 4.75 or something near enough), they will turn off ~reset by outputting 5V. That allows all the chips connected to that line to begin operating. Monitoring voltage at power up is really important, as different chips will start working at slightly different voltages. The ~reset line makes sure they all can run at the same time.

Now, a smart engineer reuses these parts to implement a reset button for the user. This reset button makes the Sony chips think that the power supply voltage has dropped down to 3.6 volts. That causes the Sony chips to ~reset all the chips until the voltage climbs back up through R11.

 

[GreenBar0n]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. The UB11 Pin6 issue was confusing me greatly, it was the last unknown for the Reset troubleshooting section, that could've still be responsible for the missing square waves from the CPU bus. I should have the new MC68030RC33B next Monday.

 

[GreenBar0n]

Put in some time today going through the CPU walking the bus tests. I'm now getting all of the square waves that should be found between A2 and A22, but I'm seeing the speed values are different than what's expected. A2 - A7 seem to be off by a line, A8 - A18 seem to be off by two lines.

I have no 2.62 MHz Address line anywhere in the ROM slot.

A2 was confirmed by ZigZagJoe on 68kmla to be 1.3 MHz, not 2.62 MHz, also.

I'm still having some difficulty seeing speeds below 10 Hz with my scope, so I need to verify some more of these entries, but this was very confusing as a new user with no other SE/30 board to test or reference.

If someone else could please verify my results above, I'd really appreciate it. I'm very thankful for this guide, I'd like to help make it as accurate as possible, as it has given me a lot of great info and confidence to try to repair my Se/30.

Thanks!

 

[BigBadBiologist]

Some info that I've accumulated that might be relevant to this thread and awesome guide. I socketed most of the chips on a good SE/30 and checked what happened to the boot process when each was removed. These are the results.
UL11 / ADB- chime, hangs at 50% gray (square corners), no cursor
UK11 / VIA1- simasima with additional box behind, long sad chime, cannot see serial diagnostic mode with programmer button
UK12 / VIA2- simasima with additional box behind, long sad chime, cannot see serial diagnostic mode with programmer button
UJ11 / SWIM- no chime. can hit programmer button to get sad chime and enter diagnostic mode
UG12 / 8530- POST OK, hangs during boot, mouse continues to work
UI12 / SCSI- chime, never shows flashing ? floppy, mouse still works

Video showing above results:

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Also, I created some resources for looking for broken traces. Resistance to ground is a quick and dirty way to look for them, so I created a table with many locations on the SE/30 (there are a couple tabs with additional info as well):

SE/30 Resistance to GND and signal info

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