Massive (filthy) find in South Carolina

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I had seen that. From what I've heard, it may be due to the attempted use of the CD-audio out connector (which the Q700 doesn't have input for, so maybe they wired it to the audio in jack? Maybe later today I'll try throwing it into the Q700 to do a test fit. Also, it could be dependent on whether you have the DOS card's RAM slot populated, as it sticks upward at an angle. As you can see with my Reply card, the RAM extends past the top of the board.
OK, I tested it out. Not sure how anyone got a Houdini II card to fit with the lid closed. I suspect they removed the card guides on the underside of the lid, as on mine, the little slot that I believe was there to help stabilize longer boards hits the board and the lid will not come close to closing. With no audio cable and no SIMM in the RAM socket, I think it would work otherwise. I'm not willing to cut up my 700 case for the novelty of it.

Probably for the best, I don't need this many DOS compatible machines...
 

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The 650 is the best 68k Mac in my opinion. Stable 40MHz overclocks are trivial by adding one or two SMD resistors and two jumper headers. Its really easy to do. Best thing is you can switch between 33 and 40MHz by just adding or removing the jumpers from headers, without even needing to remove the mezzanine or anything.

If it doesn't boot System 6, it's just an underperforming G3 or G4.
 

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Another update on my progress. I've still got some case cleaning to do on the 6100s, but I've gone down a detour as I really want these to be usable for their future owners and I did not get any HDI-45 adapters for getting video out to a modern monitor. This has lead me to try my hand at PCB design to build something that will plug into the HDI-45 port and output either the Mac's DA-15 connector (for purists or those who have a Mac monitor they want to use with it, or those who want it to work with the DOS Compatible card's Y cable), or a HD-15 VGA connector for hooking up to a modern monitor. Making good progress - I've got a PCB that replicates the HDI-45 male connector's pins. And have PCB designs that I think will work and provide adequate clearance on the 6100. The VGA adapter will also work on the 7100. Not sure on the 8100, but it may be possible with longer pins in the HDI-45 connection.

I did get around to testing out the monitors. A surprising number of them powered on and at least somewhat worked. I forgot, but there was actually one Apple AudioVision 14, which uses the short lived HDI-45 connector. It was in ROUGH shape, and the connector was pretty rusty, but I tested it out and it was working pretty well. Needs some geometry adjustments and pincushioning, but it does work:

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Side note, when you have strewn CRTs all over your workshop floor, and you're moving them around, be careful where you place your hand if you fall over... Could have been much worse, but the top of this AppleVision 1710 is no more. Fortunately the case was already partially broken (cracked on the trip in the haul) and the monitor was one of the ones that showed no signs of of life (it was on the floor and the previous owner said they had had a flood - you could see the water level on some of the monitors). Still, not what I was wanting to do, but fortunately I didn't get cut on any of the sharp plastics (I did stab myself under the fingernail with a shard of plastic while trying to remove the broken base of a Dell Trinitron monitor). Stay safe out there! :)

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Three of the four Macintosh 16 inch displays work. One is very dim, but functional. Hoping I can clean one up and use it with the Quadra 650. And find a good home for the other two. Unfortunately, The monitor I was really hoping to get working would power on, but shows no video or other signs of life is the SuperMac SuperMatch17. The two PC monitors with trinitrons I kept both work and have fantastic pictures. I probably won't keep them, but after seeing them, I might reconsider. The Dell had a shattered base that I ended up giving myself a nice deep stab under my fingernail trying to get it off. Probably should have been wearing gloves given the sharp plastics and filth...

Finally, I decided to inspect and test some of the Centris / Quadra 610s. I think they must have either been stored lower and succumbed to the flood, or they are just more sensitive to the humidity they were stored in. Where I believe I had around 10 of the 13 6100s functional, I would guess only 3 of the 610s seem like they will be able to get working. Several were battery bombed and it took out half the board, or rust, or the one I pictured in my original post that had a layer of mud covering the board. I opened up one and there was a vine that had made its way inside and had set up shop in the case.

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I was hoping to salvage more, but we'll see when I dig in more to test power supplies and other components. One had a tray loaded internal CD-ROM I'm hoping will be salvageable. Hopefully I can wrap up my work on the 6100s, get video out solutions for them, and then move on to the Centris / Quadra 6x0.
 

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Finally, I decided to inspect and test some of the Centris / Quadra 610s. I think they must have either been stored lower and succumbed to the flood, or they are just more sensitive to the humidity they were stored in. Where I believe I had around 10 of the 13 6100s functional, I would guess only 3 of the 610s seem like they will be able to get working. Several were battery bombed and it took out half the board, or rust, or the one I pictured in my original post that had a layer of mud covering the board. I opened up one and there was a vine that had made its way inside and had set up shop in the case.

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I totally didn’t realize there were some LC/Performa 475s in this collection of machines, that is a shame to see. I wonder if it’s worth trying to salvage some of the more proprietary chips from these boards.
 

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I wonder if it’s worth trying to salvage some of the more proprietary chips from these boards.

I second that -- if any of the boards are a lost cause, please save any of the custom chips you can. I'm sure they would be useful for somebody. I accidentally fried the flash /WE pin on my LC 475's MEMCjr (343S0164-a) chip by putting 12V on it (oops).
 

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I totally didn’t realize there were some LC/Performa 475s in this collection of machines, that is a shame to see. I wonder if it’s worth trying to salvage some of the more proprietary chips from these boards.
Yeah, I did go through the pizza boxes as well. They faired as poorly as the Centris/Quadra 6x0s

I definitely plan to do what I can to salvage components. If anyone has a good source for the proprietary / no longer available chips so I can do my best to salvage anything worth taking a chance on. I was at least hoping on some of the bad boards I could at a minimum pull the socketed CPUs, but on the few I tried the pins had rotted out. Are those worth keeping? Or of the pins fall off, is it a wasted cause because the corrosion probably made its way into the CPU?
 

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Yeah, I did go through the pizza boxes as well. They faired as poorly as the Centris/Quadra 6x0s

I definitely plan to do what I can to salvage components. If anyone has a good source for the proprietary / no longer available chips so I can do my best to salvage anything worth taking a chance on. I was at least hoping on some of the bad boards I could at a minimum pull the socketed CPUs, but on the few I tried the pins had rotted out. Are those worth keeping? Or of the pins fall off, is it a wasted cause because the corrosion probably made its way into the CPU?

I don't know much about the 610s, but I can mark some of the more interesting parts on the LC475/Q605 boards:

Custom Apple Parts:

- ADC/DAC - Custom Apple sound chip.
- ADB Controller - Self explanatory.
- Antelope + Clock Gen for Video - Video output subsystem. Clock generator for this may not be proprietary.
- Primetime - I/O and expansion controller.
- MEMC Jr - DRAM controller.
- ROM - Maybe the least interesting Apple component here, but still proprietary. If you can solder the ROM chips to repair a board, you can solder the ROM SIMM socket and use an aftermarket ROM SIMM.

Other Interesting Parts:

- Clock Generator - Motorola made these to go with the 68k CPUs, but some of these boards came with the 88920 and others came with the 88916. The 88916 is desirable for those looking to overclock their 475/Q605.
- SCSI/Serial Controllers - Not custom to Apple, but still probably hard to come by these days.
- Serial Port Chips - 26LS30, you can still get these, but I'm not sure if you can get them in this package.

As for the CPU, I'm not sure the 25Mhz LC variant is super-interesting. As folks like me buy scavenged 33/40Mhz 68040 parts with the FPU, the original 68LC040 CPUs become spares. So I'm not sure fixing the pins is worth it unless someone is desperate. I'd be worried about the pins breaking again and getting stuck in the socket.

EDIT: On the off chance that the VRAM is still any good on these, any 512KB sticks that work would help add to the supply and be desirable for anyone who wants their system to look a bit more stock than the aftermarket sticks available today.

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I don't know much about the 610s, but I can mark some of the more interesting parts on the LC475/Q605 boards:

Custom Apple Parts:

- ADC/DAC - Custom Apple sound chip.
- ADB Controller - Self explanatory.
- Antelope + Clock Gen for Video - Video output subsystem. Clock generator for this may not be proprietary.
- Primetime - I/O and expansion controller.
- MEMC Jr - DRAM controller.
- ROM - Maybe the least interesting Apple component here, but still proprietary. If you can solder the ROM chips to repair a board, you can solder the ROM SIMM socket and use an aftermarket ROM SIMM.

Other Interesting Parts:

- Clock Generator - Motorola made these to go with the 68k CPUs, but some of these boards came with the 88920 and others came with the 88916. The 88916 is desirable for those looking to overclock their 475/Q605.
- SCSI/Serial Controllers - Not custom to Apple, but still probably hard to come by these days.
- Serial Port Chips - 26LS30, you can still get these, but I'm not sure if you can get them in this package.

As for the CPU, I'm not sure the 25Mhz LC variant is super-interesting. As folks like me buy scavenged 33/40Mhz 68040 parts with the FPU, the original 68LC040 CPUs become spares. So I'm not sure fixing the pins is worth it unless someone is desperate. I'd be worried about the pins breaking again and getting stuck in the socket.

EDIT: On the off chance that the VRAM is still any good on these, any 512KB sticks that work would help add to the supply and be desirable for anyone who wants their system to look a bit more stock than the aftermarket sticks available today.
That's awesome information. I'll be looking at the board to see what I can manage to rescue. I'll do some digging on the 610 and see what there would make sense to pull from the board. It does make sense that the non-FPU, 35MHz CPUs probably aren't really sought after. I have a 68LC040 in my Mystic CC that I'd love to swap for a full 040 with FPU.
 

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Another update on the restoration. I received my BlueSCSI v2 boards from JLCPCB and they look great, with one problem. Apparently I did something wrong when I tried to use a mix of my parts and their parts (the LEDs and the JST connector were out of stock, so I ordered some. I must have missed something because the LEDs were installed, but the JST connector was not.

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Not the end of the world, because those will primarily be used for the upcoming WiFi management feature. I will likely order these connectors and add them to some of the devices that I may want to have the management functionality. But I got 30 boards, but only assembled 10 because I was trying to keep my costs down with the Pi Pico 2Ws. I'll likely offer them at cost for people that want them with the 6100s. My cost was about $25 per assembled board with the Pi Pico, and SCSI connector, and 8GB microSD. Now I'm going to try to create a couple of fully loaded images for these with 7.6.1, 8.1, and DOS images for Windows 3.1 and 95.