Eric's Apple Network Server 700 tinker log

ClassicHasClass

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That would do it. But it's interesting you made an AIX boot floppy that way. I'm interested to see what actually got on the floppy disk if you can image it before you restore it.
 

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I had everything working great a week ago. Turned it off. Turned it back on it comes up to the colorful AIX screen with a console and no text in the console at all anymore. Poked around in recovery thought maybe it was free space (it wasnt) so just went for a fresh install again.

Shutdown last night and booted this morning back into the AIX screen with console and no output..... what the heck is happening here?

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did a soft reboot from the front panel - held down shift because desperate - and ... it started? what the heck.
 
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johntucker

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John, what ANS goodies are those? Also, I'd love to pick your brains about the Shiner team - see http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ans/ for what I have so far, including my (sadly non-functional) ESB prototype.

I also know a lot of people would really love to find that Mac OS version that allegedly ran on early Shiners, though my suspicion from talking to the Cyberpunk guy is this would require the pre-production ROMs.

What my 500 really needs is the SMP card, but I have yet to find someone willing to part with theirs!
Oh My,

I didn't see this post until just today.
I am so sorry I was not ignoring you.

I'd love to share what I know and along with the goodies I sent Erics way I don't mind giving to others.
Just yesterday I was convinced to work toward making the ANS run Classic MacOS. I know 8.6 works & 9.1 should also.
What I heard was the SMP card was shitcaned because the performance was "suboptimal" (plus 10% to %20 over single 603e.)
Someone may have managed to get the processor card from a 9500/180MP or 9600/200MP to work on a ANS system board.
The Shiner system board was a modified 9500 board due to the major failure to make the an ASIC memory controller to do EEC.

The ABS made a concerted effort to to block MacOS on Shiner and the only Shiners that ran MacOS were engineering ROM builds. There were other ROMs that allowed the PowerPC build of Windows NT. I tried to get one but failed before the whole ANS project shutdown.

I remember the ESB code name but don't remember what it was. Fill me in.

I do have two of the deep dish prototypes and a 700/200 that was fully loaded but the battery has done bad things in the last few years. I think I can fix it but it will take time and some luck. Anyway Eric H has mentioned you as someone that may help with working on the special ROM.

adios,
jt
 

johntucker

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@johntucker I'd love to hear about your stories and goodies too.

I ended up with an ANS with a Dual 200MHz card. Would be fascinated to learn more about how far this made it before getting cut.

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OH WOW,

I knew that there was a dual processor CPU card but work had stopped because the performance was so poor.
I heard that the SMP card was only 10% to 20% better than the single processor.
I didn't think the card got off the engineering bench.

The corp guys kept us field pukes in the dark sometimes.
 

ClassicHasClass

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Oh My,

I didn't see this post until just today.
I am so sorry I was not ignoring you.

I'd love to share what I know and along with the goodies I sent Erics way I don't mind giving to others.
Just yesterday I was convinced to work toward making the ANS run Classic MacOS. I know 8.6 works & 9.1 should also.
What I heard was the SMP card was shitcaned because the performance was "suboptimal" (plus 10% to %20 over single 603e.)
Someone may have managed to get the processor card from a 9500/180MP or 9600/200MP to work on a ANS system board.
The Shiner system board was a modified 9500 board due to the major failure to make the an ASIC memory controller to do EEC.

The ABS made a concerted effort to to block MacOS on Shiner and the only Shiners that ran MacOS were engineering ROM builds. There were other ROMs that allowed the PowerPC build of Windows NT. I tried to get one but failed before the whole ANS project shutdown.

I remember the ESB code name but don't remember what it was. Fill me in.

I do have two of the deep dish prototypes and a 700/200 that was fully loaded but the battery has done bad things in the last few years. I think I can fix it but it will take time and some luck. Anyway Eric H has mentioned you as someone that may help with working on the special ROM.

adios,
jt
Yup, Eric started that thread (or if E-mail is better, ckaiser at floodgap dawt com). It is not difficult, just slow, to dump the ROM from OpenFirmware over a serial port.

I had heard similar things about the SMP card, though I thought that was also a 604 or 604e. I know early work on it suffered because of Motorola's problems with the 604. Ah well, the 200MHz card is plenty fast. :)

ESB = Extra Special Bitter (Shiner is a Texas brand of beer, still sold and advertised when I was in Houston last).

What does ABS stand for? Was this a spinoff from ATG?

What you mention about the other ROMs squares with Ellen Hancock's announcement that the ANS would be able to boot and run MacOS and NT as well as AIX *after* the ANS was released. I am actually surprised that was technically possible without modifications to both OSes (let alone the ROM) but I am very gratified to be proven wrong. Sad to hear you weren't able to get one, there has been some hobbyist interest in PowerPC NT on the Mac lately.
 

johntucker

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Yup, Eric started that thread (or if E-mail is better, ckaiser at floodgap dawt com). It is not difficult, just slow, to dump the ROM from OpenFirmware over a serial port.

I had heard similar things about the SMP card, though I thought that was also a 604 or 604e. I know early work on it suffered because of Motorola's problems with the 604. Ah well, the 200MHz card is plenty fast. :)

ESB = Extra Special Bitter (Shiner is a Texas brand of beer, still sold and advertised when I was in Houston last).

What does ABS stand for? Was this a spinoff from ATG?

What you mention about the other ROMs squares with Ellen Hancock's announcement that the ANS would be able to boot and run MacOS and NT as well as AIX *after* the ANS was released. I am actually surprised that was technically possible without modifications to both OSes (let alone the ROM) but I am very gratified to be proven wrong. Sad to hear you weren't able to get one, there has been some hobbyist interest in PowerPC NT on the Mac lately.

Greetings,

OH as much as I hated three letter acronyms, Apple was full of them. ABS was the Apple internal group that was “Apple Business Systems” the product group that did networking, COMM products and other business oriented things.

I did know that ESB was a product code (I have an empty ESB beer bottle…along with a Shiner bottle in my home office) I just couldn’t remember what it was. It was about 28 or so years ago.

It took a deal of arm-twisting to get the MacOS ROM.

adios,
jt
 
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