BlueSCSI v2 Pico - Low cost, open hardware, fast SCSI device!

tcole

New Tinkerer
Nov 25, 2022
4
1
3
I realized a db25 version would be incredibly useful when loaded up with a bunch of ISOs, especially with the hot swap capabilities. Very nice for swapping between my Macs when loading software and stuff.

Any word on when stock is showing up at the sellers? Debating if it would be faster to try sourcing parts myself and build one or wait for fully assembled ones to come back in stock.
 

eric

Administrator
Staff member
Sep 2, 2021
943
1,542
93
MN
scsi.blue
Any word on when stock is showing up at the sellers? Debating if it would be faster to try sourcing parts myself and build one or wait for fully assembled ones to come back in stock.
Next week. Took a while for LCSC's parts people to move our parts orders after Lunar new year, but everyone has orders in now. We're also trying a 2nd assembly location to have a little supply chain diversity :) We were excited to get the announcement out even though the stock would be slim for the first few weeks.
 

retr01

Senior Tinkerer
Jun 6, 2022
2,473
1
796
113
Utah, USA
retr01.com
This is great! 😃 Looking forward to getting one for my P476. 💰📦💨📪(y)

I found an old article that discusses the SCSI performance data for the Q605, P475, P476, or LC475. Interestingly, the author suspects a ceiling under 4 MB on the SCSI bus for those Macs. 🤓


I suspect the SCSI bus on my P476 will max out around 5 MB/sec, like the Mystic CC. Any thoughts? ☺️
 
Last edited:

Fizzbinn

Tinkerer
Nov 29, 2021
190
183
43
Charlottesville, VA
I believe built in, internal 10MB/s ”Narrow (8bit) Fast” SCSI first showed up on the Power Macintosh 7100 & 8100. The 7300, 7500, 7600, 8500, 8600, 9500 & 9600 are the other later models with it before they switched to IDE with the intro of G3 models. PPC Macs with built in IDE for their hard drives only have a 5MB/s SCSI internal/external bus.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: retr01

JDW

Administrator
Staff member
Founder
Sep 2, 2021
1,582
1,378
113
53
Japan
youtube.com
PPC Macs that don’t have an built in IDE drive or are the 6100. 😀
Well, if we want to get that detailed, we also need to consider which 68K Macs might be able to achieve 10MB/s with an optional SCSI NuBUS card installed. Any thoughts on that?
 

Fizzbinn

Tinkerer
Nov 29, 2021
190
183
43
Charlottesville, VA
Well, if we want to get that detailed, we also need to consider which 68K Macs might be able to achieve 10MB/s with an optional SCSI NuBUS card installed. Any thoughts on that?

Sorry, didn’t mean to offend, just thought question was about what Macs support 10MB/s fast SCSI out of the box. Don’t think we’d want folks thinking the PPC Performa 6200 has fast SCSI or example, it’s not all PPC Macs.

A list of 10MB/s fast SCSI NuBus, PDS and PCI cards would definitely be interesting though.
 
  • Like
Reactions: retr01

JDW

Administrator
Staff member
Founder
Sep 2, 2021
1,582
1,378
113
53
Japan
youtube.com
Sorry, didn’t mean to offend, just thought question was about what Macs support 10MB/s fast SCSI out of the box. Don’t think we’d want folks thinking the PPC Performa 6200 has fast SCSI or example, it’s not all PPC Macs.

A list of 10MB/s fast SCSI NuBus, PDS and PCI cards would definitely be interesting though.
I'm really hard to offend so you almost never need to worry about that. I was just saying that if we think deeply on this subject, we should ponder what our Macs are capable of. I myself am a 68K Mac fan. The only PPC machine I have, aside from a couple Wallstreet notebooks, is my pair of G4 Cubes, and for those I would need IDE. So my attention is 100% laser focused on 68k Macs. And although none of mine have 10MB/s capabilities out of the box, the fact remains that we upgrade our Macs. Goodness know I do as I have a Mystic! But while the Mystic's SCSI cannot be upgraded faster than 5MB/s, 68K Macs with slots can accommodate a variety of cards. So I was just wondering what popular cards for 68K Macs (with slots) people might have which would enable them to take full advantage of the 10MB/s speed that BlueSCSI v2 has to offer.

So if you are anyone else would know that, it might be useful information to post!
 

Fizzbinn

Tinkerer
Nov 29, 2021
190
183
43
Charlottesville, VA
I'm really hard to offend so you almost never need to worry about that. I was just saying that if we think deeply on this subject, we should ponder what our Macs are capable of. I myself am a 68K Mac fan. The only PPC machine I have, aside from a couple Wallstreet notebooks, is my pair of G4 Cubes, and for those I would need IDE. So my attention is 100% laser focused on 68k Macs. And although none of mine have 10MB/s capabilities out of the box, the fact remains that we upgrade our Macs. Goodness know I do as I have a Mystic! But while the Mystic's SCSI cannot be upgraded faster than 5MB/s, 68K Macs with slots can accommodate a variety of cards. So I was just wondering what popular cards for 68K Macs (with slots) people might have which would enable them to take full advantage of the 10MB/s speed that BlueSCSI v2 has to offer.

So if you are anyone else would know that, it might be useful information to post!

Oh good, sometimes I guess I interpret offense in wording that isn‘t intended. I know I struggle with communicating nuisance sometimes, I probably over rely on on emoji.

Agreed!

I think for PPC Macs with PCI slots there are likely some fast SCSI options that might not be that hard to find. However, IDE cards are also an even faster option there...

PDS and NuBus fast SCSI cards for older Macs are much more of a mystery to me. Pretty sure they exist but I get the feeling they are unobtainium at this point. I wonder if there have been any modern recreation efforts?

  • NuBus
  • SE/30, IIsi 030 PDS
  • LC 030 PDS (used in LC II, CC)
  • LC III 030 PDS (used until Performa 6320)
  • Quadra 040 PDS
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: JDW

eric

Administrator
Staff member
Sep 2, 2021
943
1,542
93
MN
scsi.blue
I think for PPC Macs with PCI slots there are likely some fast SCSI options that might not be that hard to find. However, IDE cards are also an even faster option there...
This is true, for Mac's there's a narrow list of computers that can take full advantage of 10MB/sec and could not use IDE (or SATA). But.. for the same price, it really doesn't matter (IMO) if you're not taking advantage of only 5 or 1.5MB/bus on slower machines - It'll still max those out.

If you have PCI and speed is your only concern, do grab a $6 SATA card and flash it (i hear good things are coming for easing flashing). But might as well still grab a DB25 too for CD ROM switching, file transfers, etc, etc :)

I have a line on a nubus SCSI card, so will test when I get it!
Have a new card arriving today so will rerun the tests.
Mail was very late, I used a Samsung High Endurance Card U3 - Write went up to 3.6 MB/sec with a smooth line
 
  • Like
Reactions: retr01 and JDW

joethezombie

Tinkerer
Oct 30, 2021
32
29
18
Idaho
My IIfx
So I was just wondering what popular cards for 68K Macs (with slots) people might have which would enable them to take full advantage of the 10MB/s speed that BlueSCSI v2 has to offer.

So if you are anyone else would know that, it might be useful information to post!

I have a IIfx with an FWB SCSI Jackhammer that achieves a sustained rate of ~9600kb/s (10022kb/s max) using an SCSI2SDv6 solution. To achieve that rate I had to install the FWB HDT drivers to the drive and enable specific options, some of which may negatively affect reliability. Blind Transfers, max cache, and disable write verification if I remember correctly. My IIfx is still packed up since the flood, so I can't check at the moment. It will be very interesting to pit the BlueV2 against SCSI2SDv6.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: JDW

rikerjoe

Tinkerer
Oct 31, 2021
146
220
43
I got a BlueSCSI v2 kit that I plan on assembling this weekend. Out of curiosity, if you had a choice between installing it in a Mystic Color Classic or Macintosh IIfx, which would you pick and why?
 

JDW

Administrator
Staff member
Founder
Sep 2, 2021
1,582
1,378
113
53
Japan
youtube.com
I got a BlueSCSI v2 kit that I plan on assembling this weekend. Out of curiosity, if you had a choice between installing it in a Mystic Color Classic or Macintosh IIfx, which would you pick and why?
Even if the IIfx had a fast SCSI card installed, I would guess the Mystic would be faster overall due to the faster CPU.
 
  • Like
Reactions: rikerjoe

retr01

Senior Tinkerer
Jun 6, 2022
2,473
1
796
113
Utah, USA
retr01.com
I just had a thought...since BlueSCSI v2 has CD changer, should that also apply to hard drive images? Since only have several SCSI mounted at the same time, it is great to have. :)
 

eric

Administrator
Staff member
Sep 2, 2021
943
1,542
93
MN
scsi.blue
I just had a thought...since BlueSCSI v2 has CD changer, should that also apply to hard drive images? Since only have several SCSI mounted at the same time, it is great to have. :)
Yes can do that via hot swap, but also could add that to the bluescsi toolbox too.
 
  • Like
Reactions: retr01