PCI Riser Design Rework of GitHub PCIe Riser - Howto?

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Trash80toG4

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Your cable kludge worked without these? Are they present on other 2 slot risers?
Yep, no capicitors involved, just the resistor. Using jumper wires attached to all the requisite points I got:

Slot A = A1
Slot B = B1
Slot C = D1
Slot E = E1 - with signals jumpered from CSII Slot. This one's tangential, but I'll do a dedicated post here with the info/pic.

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Slot_C-CableMonster-Testbed.jpg

TattleTech PCI Slot report screenshots in link:

 

Trash80toG4

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None of the pins on the earlier diagrams are correct. I'm in the process of
- mirroring the connector so it looks like the component side.
- rotating the pin numbers
- rotating the signals so they match the proper pins - recreating baseline PCI pinout
- color coding the thruholes

Purple indicates the pins missing due to the break in the connector, they're all wrong . . . they belong at the high numbered end of things.
- Green = GND
- Red = Power of various values

IOW, hold off on schematic development until I get everything looking like the component side, numbers and signals tagged and color coded correctly.


So it goes . . .
 

Trash80toG4

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Woke up with my head as straight as it gets. Walk didn't do the reset trick. Did the illustration above without realizing that you'd probably have had all the info in thread already that you need for schematic development?

Mechanical doodle has pinouts for most everything that isn't 1:1 from SLOT_A to SLOT_B, but for capacitor setup.
Assumption that all four interrupt lines are tied together appears to be in error.*****

MechanicalDoodle-RGB.jpg



Hacksaw desoldering method revealed connections for capacitor setup you identified above:

6400-PCI-Riser-Sans-Connector.JPG


Capacitor values you've identified in the schematic:
". . . the two caps C1 and C2 are connected to these pins PRSNT1# and PRSNT2#. So not decoupling."

6500-PCI-Schematic.jpg


***** Note that PCI_SLOT_2_INT and PCI_Slot3_2_INT pinouts differ in schematic. My questionable assumption that all four are tied together was in error.
However having all four tied together appeared to work fine in my jumper cable test lashup.

Looks to me like a binary interrupt decoding setup indicated in schematic?


Slot_C-CableMonster-Testbed2.jpg


I got confirmation of SLOT_ID in TattleTech PCI Slots report, but function testing wasn't done at that point.
Wondering if same holds true up in Slots B? IIRC all four interrupt lines buzzed out as connected on riser. Gotta check that out again.

PCI Slot_B Report.jpg


Is pretty much everything you need for schematic development in this post?

/TANGENT
Reports also indicated I'd found the mythical SLOT_C and experimental SLOT_E:
PCB Development: TwinSlot Riser Project for TAM, 6360, 5x00 PowerMacs . . .
\TANGENT

Still confuzzled about capacitor pinout setup, but noggin's fried again at this point.
I'll edit in any other information we can think of into this post so it's packed all in one place.
 
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luRaichu

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Picture of hacksawed riser shows trace on slot B connecting all interrupt lines together. So I'm not sure why you'd think you've erred?
I would like to start with schematics of a known-good riser. Even if your cable kludge worked, I'd rather do things by the book.
If you need me to you may send me a known-good riser to reverse schematics from. Preferably with no PCI slots attached. Am based from Washington, D.C.
 

Trash80toG4

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PM address for mailing. NoPro, hacksaw desoldering process will commence almost immediately.

GRLF is in D.C. and I'm visiting for Easter. Do you need the 6360 w/cardboard prototype or do you have that or a 5x00 or even 6x00 for testing?
 

luRaichu

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NoPro, hacksaw desoldering process will commence almost immediately.
I would prefer hot air...
Do you need the 6360 w/cardboard prototype or do you have that or a 5x00 or even 6x00 for testing?
I've never owned a PowerMac and it isn't necessary. Just would like a more precise mechanical specification coming up so I know exactly where to place the footprints
 

Trash80toG4

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I've never owned a PowerMac and it isn't necessary. Just would like a more precise mechanical specification coming up so I know exactly where to place the footprints
I can get back to you on the vertical and horizontal offsets of SLOT_B from SLOT_A from Illustrator files.

Now that I have two more PCI Slot Connector I can hot glue to a template. Has anyone got a FatBack TAM to check for physical fitment if and when?